Twas the night before Vista

January 29, 2007 – 11:15 pm | by Benjamin Watt

When all through the house, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

Well, it wasn’t really a mouse, but my aforementioned SpaceNavigator – but there’s a beta driver for Vista which sorted that out nicely for now.

With the official consumer release of Windows Vista due tomorrow, I thought I’d give an update on how I’ve got on with Vista over the last few months since I last talked about it. You may remember that my big issue with giving up Windows XP for good, in favour of snazzy new Vista, lay in the lack of good drivers from nvidia. There’s been the odd beta driver released since then which have certainly improved the situation somewhat, OpenGL performance became actually usable under Maya, albeit with some buggy quirks – the 3D viewports would go white when you took away focus from them to tweak a channel setting, and wouldn’t refresh until you clicked back on them, which is far from ideal.

Nvidia is expected though to release some much improved drivers sometime on January 30th, with a bit of luck they’ll do the trick – there’s been some leaked variations of it in the last couple of days, but I’ll hold out and see what the final release is like. They’re not the only ones to leave things late though, the few gaps left in the area of driver support have been largely filled, not so much on my laptop (which has worked just fine with the drivers available back just before the business launch in November, although some were updated by Windows Update along the way), but with my fresh install of Vista on my desktop.

Yes, I finally took the plunge and introduced Vista to my desktop. I even bought it a nice new shiny 500Gb Seagate hard drive to have to itself, with a view to ultimately migrate from Windows XP on the older hard drive, to this one. I figured the time was right, and that there would be drivers for everything I hadVista: Attempting to authenticate message both in and out of my desktop PC, but alas – things haven’t been quite as smooth as my laptop experiences. The big sticking point is the wireless drivers. I have a rather expensive but rather excellent internal PCI card from Cisco, the Aironet PI21AG (the same thing as the CB21AG which is just the PCMCIA version without the PCI card stuck onto it).

When I first booted up Vista fresh, it recognised the card fine, it pointed me to my wireless network, and all looked to be well. However, on typing in my WPA key it all went to hell in a handbasket. After a brief couple of seconds of pondering Vista proudly proclaimed that it couldn’t connect. Any particular reason? Nope, just couldn’t connect. Again and again I tried, but it wouldn’t budge. If I go and look at my network connections, the words “Attempting to authenticate” lurk there for as long as you dare watch, with no hint as to whether it’s having any luck. Okay, I think – maybe the driver release that comes with Windows Vista has been updated, I’ll run a rather long ethernet cable into my network card and see what it finds. There was indeed an update for that very card, and on applying it, it finally connected. Wasting no time, I grabbed drivers for the other couple of missing pieces, my SoundBlaster Audigy ZS 2 sound card needed drivers from Creative’s site which worked fine. My dual-tuner TV card, the Cinergy 2400i DT took to the beta driver from Terratec like a duck to the water.

So, perfect then – everything was working as it should right? Yes, well – a couple of reboots later, and guess what was rearing it’s ugly head again? Yes, the wireless card – it couldn’t connect again, same as before but with these newer drivers. A quick look in the Event log shows the repeated “Layer 2 security key exchange did not generate multicast keys before timeout” error, whatever the heck that means. I’m not alone either, I found a thread on Microsoft’s own forums (going way back to last Summer) that talks about this problem, seems specific to using WPA as the form of wireless encryption. It’s hard to know whether this is purely driver problems, or if there’s something fundamentally wrong with Vista’s wireless network stack. Certainly on my laptop I’ve not really had this issue despite connecting to the exact same wireless router, using the exact same WPA key. There has been the odd occasion where on restoring from a hibernate it’s decided it no longer likes the settings it has saved for my connection, but a reboot has always sorted that out.

Also, rather bizarrely, after leaving it sitting for awhile it randomly decides to just connect = sometimes. I took the opportunity to quickly check Windows update again, and discovered there was yet another driver for the card that had been released just a few hours previously – suggesting that somebody out there might be aware of a problem certainly with this card. Didn’t make a difference though, installing the driver dropped the connection obviously, and I’m no further on. Same lack of connection, same random connection after a half hour wait or so – all rather dodgy. Damn.

Still, as the hours tick by Microsoft seem to be loading Windows Update up with new additions, in the last hour this is how things have changed:

Windows Update in Vista

Most of the optional updates are language packs, and the important updates don’t seem overly important (none of the Knowledge Base links go anywhere yet, so who knows really), but still – things seem to be ramping up for the big release. Perhaps a wireless or graphics driver lurks in there yet? Nice of Microsoft to give us ‘Hold Em Poker’, but as I don’t know how to play it, it’s unlikely to distract me from the fact that I have no connection to play with on my desktop.

Still, let’s end on a high – I keep discovering little things in Vista that I haven’t encountered already. Last night a particularly eager software install decided it wanted to reboot my machine immediately with out any warning. Vista however realised that I was kind of in the middle of other things, and threw up the rather flashy screen below listing what I was currently doing. Quite nifty, and for the record – I was only recording Celebrity Big Brother to test out Vista Media Centre. Honest.

Vista: Shutdown Warning

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  1. 5 Responses to “Twas the night before Vista”

  2. By Benjamin Watt on Mar 11, 2007 | Reply

    Quick update. 3DConnexion have updated the driver linked at the beginning of this post – the link will now take you to the current driver version and it works very well under Vista. It also supports Maya 8.5.

    Talking of Maya, nvidia’s latest driver (101.41) has finally resolved the main problem I’ve had with the OpenGL support, there appear to no longer be any white screens showing up when selecting options outwith the main viewport window. Mental Ray rendering appears to work fine now too, which I did have some bother with before. OpenGL performance still isn’t quite up to XP standards, but it’s certainly usable, it only gets less smooth with particularly complicated scenes.

  3. By John Baltz on Jun 29, 2007 | Reply

    i have the same wireless card that you mention that you use from Cisco. Am having problems finding the driver for it for Vista and your article says that you have found an update, could you point me in the right direction to find that update, cisco’s web site doesn’t seem to have it at the moment, not where i can find it anyway!

    -john b.

  4. By Benjamin Watt on Jun 29, 2007 | Reply

    Hi John,

    The updated drivers come from Microsoft directly. You should find it if you run Windows Update (listed in the start menu), and click on ‘Check for Updates’ down the left hand side. Microsoft has been releasing a new driver release for this hardware just about every week or two for months now, but it still doesn’t look like things work as they should. No harm in trying though, so give it a go, I don’t think these drivers can be found anywhere else, and Cisco still just state Vista is unsupported. Don’t install any of the additional Cisco XP software that came with the wireless card, or uninstall it if you have, as it might cause some bother.

    Hope that helps,

    Ben

  5. By SSH on Feb 7, 2008 | Reply

    I have had something similar with Vista Home Premium on my new Dell laptop with an Intel wireless card. The symptoms are exactly as you describe, and I’ve tried the latest driver. Did you ever get this sorted?

  6. By Benjamin Watt on Feb 7, 2008 | Reply

    Yes, the latest drivers provided by Microsoft do seem to largely resolve the issues I had with that specific wireless card, although updates continue to appear about once a month for it, so clearly work is still being done. I actually don’t use that wireless connection so often now, so it’s less of a problem.

    I have a Dell laptop with Vista installed, and it has always connected fine via wireless, but I do know that were some problems initially with more recent laptops using Intel’s wireless cards.

    I would suggest that if you’ve only tried my suggested way of finding new drivers in these comments, without getting anywhere, that you try Dell’s site first to see if new Vista drivers are available ( http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/index.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen ), and then if you’re still having problems you could try getting drivers directly from Intel at http://support.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/cs-010623.htm

    You’ll need to know what specific Intel wireless card your laptop has, but the Dell site should probably tell you that if you go there first. Feel free to post back with the model of Dell laptop you’ve got, I might be able to help further.

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